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Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

  • 1.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-23-2007 17:21

    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.

    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.

    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.

    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.

    Thanks,

    Enjoy the rest of the week.

    Kind Regards


    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz

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  • 2.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-28-2007 11:30

    Dear Andrew,

     

    In case you are not aware of it yet, you might find the work of William Baumol of interest. In his book The Free-Market Innovation Machine he defines entrepreneurs as rent-seeking agents whose behavior could also be destructive (e.g. criminal activities). This might also link to what you are looking for.

     

    I hope this helps.

     

    Best regards,

     

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    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Cardow, Andrew
    Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:21 PM
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    Subject: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

     

    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.

    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.

    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.

    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.

    Thanks,

    Enjoy the rest of the week.

    Kind Regards

     

    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">International</st1:placename> <st1:placename w:st="on">Business</st1:placename>
    <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Massey</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype></st1:place></st1:place>, Auckland NZ

    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz

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  • 3.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-28-2007 14:16
    The Dark Side of Entrepreneurship  - an HBR article from a few years back is
    quite good.  Google gets you there on particulars.  Not sure if it makes the distinction
    you are after--might be helpful.
     
    Harriet Stephenson
    Seattle University


    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv on behalf of Cardow, Andrew
    Sent: Tue 10/23/2007 2:20 PM
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    Subject: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.

    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.

    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.

    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.

    Thanks,

    Enjoy the rest of the week.

    Kind Regards


    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz

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  • 4.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-29-2007 02:20
    Hi, Andy-

    I'll be first to mention Will Baumol's article re productive, unproductive & destructive entrepreneurship.Not really measured but I really like the attempt to categorize. Samee Desai @ Max Planck is doing her dissertation on destructive entrepreneurship; I'll cc her on this.

    The connotation that entrepreneurship is a good thing certainly seems entrenched. Is there such a thing as a failed innovation? Of course, but again the connotation (at least in popular use) runs strongly in one direction.

    Interesting contrast in connotations:
    Opportunity-seeking = Good
    Opportunism = Bad

    From the more social entrepreneurship side of things, I know scholars who wish to formally equate "opportunity" and "entrepreneurship" with positives (at least implicitly calling for new labels for the negative manifestations). I'm not sure I buy this, but perhaps renaming destructive entrepreneurship as something other than entrepreneurship might end up quite useful.

    Of course, productive & destructive are somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Or differences in critical stakeholders - I doubt that Tony Soprano thinks that his efforts are anything but highly productive, LOL.

    If you out-compete me in the marketplace, I may claim your efforts as destructive. You may beat me so completely that I exit -and what if I'm my town's biggest/best employer? I think that might be the political issue.

    In a healthy local economy, the 'ecosystem' adapts to changes - which may result in a big net gain in jobs (both numbers & quality of jobs) that includes job losses. If my polity/industry loses 200 jobs paying $20/hour, but gain 300 jobs paying $25/hour... that is a good thing. Unless you lost one of the $20/hour jobs?? The market is an amazing thing and works brilliantly -alas, it does not always work the way we think we'd like to work. [Cure that eminent alum of the London School of Economics, Mick Jagger: "You can't always get get what you want... you get what you need." LOL]

    Some interesting issues on a Sunday evening... Thanks!

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
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    On 10/23/07, Cardow, Andrew <A.Cardow@massey.ac.nz> wrote:

    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.

    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.

    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.

    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.

    Thanks,

    Enjoy the rest of the week.

    Kind Regards


    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz

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  • 5.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-29-2007 09:46
    Hi Andrew,
     
    It doesn't say that entrepreneurship is "evil", but the best article I know about this topic is the following by Baumol:
     

    Baumol, W. J.: 1990, "Entrepreneurship: Productive, Unproductive and Destructive", Journal of Political Economy 98(5), 893-921.

     
    Some great reviews more on the entrepreneurial personality and moral behavior are:
     

    Longenecker, J. G., C. W. Moore, J. W. Petty, L. E. Palich, and J. A. McKinney: 2006, "Ethical Attitudes in Small Businesses and Large Corporations: Theory and Empirical Findings From a Tracking Study Spanning Three Decades", Journal of Small Business Management 44(2), 167-183.

    Solymossy, E. and J. K. Masters: 2002, "Ethics Through an Entrepreneurial Lens: Theory and Observation", Journal of Business Ethics 38(3), 227-241.

     

    We've tried to include some of that literature in a review:

     

    Lepoutre, J. and A. Heene: 2006, "Investigating the Impact of Firm Size on Small Business Social Responsibility: A Critical Review", Journal of Business Ethics 67(3), 257-273.

    Hope this helps!

     

    Jan

     

     

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    Onderwerp: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.

    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.

    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.

    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.

    Thanks,

    Enjoy the rest of the week.

    Kind Regards


    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz

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  • 6.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-29-2007 11:39

    Dear Entrepreneurship Friends:

     

    Though he deals with the corporate form of ownership (and since most corporations are born out of the work of an entrepreneur), Joel Bakan presents an articulate case for how corporations' single-minded quest for profits and share prices is analogous to human psychopaths' "ability to use charm as a mask to hide their dangerous self-obsessed personalities." (p. 57). Further, "as a psychopathic creature, the corporation can neither recognize nor act upon moral reasons to refrain from harming others." (p. 60). Bakan's Selected Bibliography may be a good place to look for relevant articles.

     

    Sincerely,

     

    Curt

     

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    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Norris Krueger
    Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:20 PM
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    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

     

    Hi, Andy-

    I'll be first to mention Will Baumol's article re productive, unproductive & destructive entrepreneurship.Not really measured but I really like the attempt to categorize. Samee Desai @ Max Planck is doing her dissertation on destructive entrepreneurship; I'll cc her on this.

    The connotation that entrepreneurship is a good thing certainly seems entrenched. Is there such a thing as a failed innovation? Of course, but again the connotation (at least in popular use) runs strongly in one direction.

    Interesting contrast in connotations:
    Opportunity-seeking = Good
    Opportunism = Bad

    From the more social entrepreneurship side of things, I know scholars who wish to formally equate "opportunity" and "entrepreneurship" with positives (at least implicitly calling for new labels for the negative manifestations). I'm not sure I buy this, but perhaps renaming destructive entrepreneurship as something other than entrepreneurship might end up quite useful.

    Of course, productive & destructive are somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Or differences in critical stakeholders - I doubt that Tony Soprano thinks that his efforts are anything but highly productive, LOL.

    If you out-compete me in the marketplace, I may claim your efforts as destructive. You may beat me so completely that I exit -and what if I'm my town's biggest/best employer? I think that might be the political issue.

    In a healthy local economy, the 'ecosystem' adapts to changes - which may result in a big net gain in jobs (both numbers & quality of jobs) that includes job losses. If my polity/industry loses 200 jobs paying $20/hour, but gain 300 jobs paying $25/hour... that is a good thing. Unless you lost one of the $20/hour jobs?? The market is an amazing thing and works brilliantly -alas, it does not always work the way we think we'd like to work. [Cure that eminent alum of the London School of Economics, Mick Jagger: "You can't always get get what you want... you get what you need." LOL]

    Some interesting issues on a Sunday evening... Thanks!

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
           "I criticize by creation, not by finding fault" -<st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cicero</st1:place></st1:city>

    On 10/23/07, Cardow, Andrew <A.Cardow@massey.ac.nz> wrote:

    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.

    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.

    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.

    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.

    Thanks,

    Enjoy the rest of the week.

    Kind Regards

     

    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Auckland</st1:place></st1:city> NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz

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  • 7.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-29-2007 14:35
    Dear Norris and Andy,
     
    There is the paper by Baumol and then other "related but not quite" things at the economy level - mostly from the rent-seeking literature, the political economy (instability) literature. The allocation of talent stuff is useful too.
     
    I'm convinced the reason we have very little on this topic is because entrepreneurship research focuses disproportionately on developed or rapidly developing countries. If we treat destructive entrepreneurship as exerting a negative effect on GDP (a logical extension of Baumol) then we are working within a certain type of institutional framework. We really need to go to places with weak institutions to see this kind of behavior - I'm interested in conflict and underdeveloped regions but I think it applies to inner cities too.
     
    Here are some "related but not quite" papers that have been useful for me:
     
    **Murphy et al (1991) "The Allocation of Talent: Implications for Growth," QJE
    **Murphy et al (1993) "Why is rent-seeking so costly to growth?" AER Review Papers and Proceedings
    **Bhagwati (1982) "DUP activities," JPE
    **Acemoglu (1995) "Reward Structures and the Allocation of Talent," European Economic Review
    **Acemoglu et Verdier (1998) "Property Rights, Corruption and Allocation of Talent - A General Equilibrium Approach," The Economics Journal
     
    I'm not sure how this works from a firm level perspective, but I see several other people have already suggested some resources.
     
    Hope that helps.
     
    Regards,
    Samee
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  • 8.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-29-2007 16:45

    Hello Andrew,

    Although it doesn't refer to entrepreneurship as "evil," per se, another source you might find useful is Wicklund and Davidsson's (Summer 2001) ET&P article looking at levels of analysis in entrepreneurship research.  On page 91, they provide a 2x2 examining venture performance from both a societal and individual perspective.  Quadrant 2 includes positive outcomes for the entrepreneur and negative outcomes for society, which they refer to as "robber organizations."  (They also cite Baumol's work noted by Norris Krueger and Jan Lepoutre).

    Thus, one potentially useful way of defining "evil" entrepreneurship is based on performance outcomes, along with intent/motivation, that serve as inputs to the process.  This might also provide a potential bridge from the individual level, where the idea of evil intent seems most applicable, to the organizational level, where performance outcomes are especially relevant.

    Best of luck with your revision.

    Franz Lohrke

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    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv on behalf of DeBerg, Curtis
    Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 10:38 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Dear Entrepreneurship Friends:

     

    Though he deals with the corporate form of ownership (and since most corporations are born out of the work of an entrepreneur), Joel Bakan presents an articulate case for how corporations' single-minded quest for profits and share prices is analogous to human psychopaths' "ability to use charm as a mask to hide their dangerous self-obsessed personalities." (p. 57). Further, "as a psychopathic creature, the corporation can neither recognize nor act upon moral reasons to refrain from harming others." (p. 60). Bakan's Selected Bibliography may be a good place to look for relevant articles.

     

    Sincerely,

     

    Curt

     

    Dr. Curt DeBerg, CPA

    College of Business

    California State University, Chico

    Founder: SAGE, http://www.csuchico.edu/sage

    530.898.4824

    cdeberg@csuchico.edu

    skype id: cdeberg

     

     


    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Norris Krueger
    Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:20 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

     

    Hi, Andy-

    I'll be first to mention Will Baumol's article re productive, unproductive & destructive entrepreneurship.Not really measured but I really like the attempt to categorize. Samee Desai @ Max Planck is doing her dissertation on destructive entrepreneurship; I'll cc her on this.

    The connotation that entrepreneurship is a good thing certainly seems entrenched. Is there such a thing as a failed innovation? Of course, but again the connotation (at least in popular use) runs strongly in one direction.

    Interesting contrast in connotations:
    Opportunity-seeking = Good
    Opportunism = Bad

    From the more social entrepreneurship side of things, I know scholars who wish to formally equate "opportunity" and "entrepreneurship" with positives (at least implicitly calling for new labels for the negative manifestations). I'm not sure I buy this, but perhaps renaming destructive entrepreneurship as something other than entrepreneurship might end up quite useful.

    Of course, productive & destructive are somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Or differences in critical stakeholders - I doubt that Tony Soprano thinks that his efforts are anything but highly productive, LOL.

    If you out-compete me in the marketplace, I may claim your efforts as destructive. You may beat me so completely that I exit -and what if I'm my town's biggest/best employer? I think that might be the political issue.

    In a healthy local economy, the 'ecosystem' adapts to changes - which may result in a big net gain in jobs (both numbers & quality of jobs) that includes job losses. If my polity/industry loses 200 jobs paying $20/hour, but gain 300 jobs paying $25/hour... that is a good thing. Unless you lost one of the $20/hour jobs?? The market is an amazing thing and works brilliantly -alas, it does not always work the way we think we'd like to work. [Cure that eminent alum of the London School of Economics, Mick Jagger: "You can't always get get what you want... you get what you need." LOL]

    Some interesting issues on a Sunday evening... Thanks!

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
           "I criticize by creation, not by finding fault" -Cicero

    On 10/23/07, Cardow, Andrew <A.Cardow@massey.ac.nz> wrote:

    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.

    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.

    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.

    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.

    Thanks,

    Enjoy the rest of the week.

    Kind Regards

     

    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz

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  • 9.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-29-2007 17:02
    Given that entrepreneurship is meant to be about 'creative
    destruction' I certainly think that Schumpeter would have
    acknowledged the destructive and negative impacts of entrepreneurship
    as well as its benefits - the no omelette without breaking eggs
    phenomenon. Whether that counts as 'evil' is highly debatable, but
    then again, so it what counts as entrepreneurship. I think that most
    complex concepts are like this - even feel good notions such as
    'community' have their 'bad' side where solidarity and friendship sit
    alongside parochialism and prejudice.

    Depending on how you understand entrepreneurship, there are many
    critiques of the 'enterprise culture' as fostered through
    Thatcherism, and an equation of that with neo-liberalism which in
    turn is understood if not as 'evil' than as something pretty bad that
    has resulted in the breakdown of the social and the undermining of
    political processes. One author who has written a lot on this is
    Paul du Gay.

    Please do let us all know what you come up with - its a fascinating
    topic!

    Paola

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  • 10.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-29-2007 17:09
    Of course, intent need not match results.
    (Manslaughter versus murder?)
    Intent matters a lot in Western culture.

    With students and with entrepreneurs, I've found it hard to persuade them at times that "value proposition" is in the eyes of the customer (stakeholder), not theirs. If I capture rents by helping stakeholders to capture rents themselves... that helps?

    The guy whose family makes something like 90% of the cigarette vending machines does not smoke himself, no allows his family or employees to smoke.. But is still a bad person for facilitating smokers?

    Of course, if you're under 25 in North America, smoking is NOT evil. (Sadly...)

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
           "I criticize by creation, not by finding fault" -Cicero

    On 10/29/07, Lohrke, Franz T. <ftlohrke@samford.edu> wrote:

    Hello Andrew,

    Although it doesn't refer to entrepreneurship as "evil," per se, another source you might find useful is Wicklund and Davidsson's (Summer 2001) ET&P article looking at levels of analysis in entrepreneurship research.   On page 91, they provide a 2x2 examining venture performance from both a societal and individual perspective.  Quadrant 2 includes positive outcomes for the entrepreneur and negative outcomes for society, which they refer to as "robber organizations."   (They also cite Baumol's work noted by Norris Krueger and Jan Lepoutre).

    Thus, one potentially useful way of defining "evil" entrepreneurship is based on performance outcomes, along with intent/motivation, that serve as inputs to the process.  This might also provide a potential bridge from the individual level, where the idea of evil intent seems most applicable, to the organizational level, where performance outcomes are especially relevant.

    Best of luck with your revision.

    Franz Lohrke

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Franz T. Lohrke
    Chair, Department of Management & Marketing
       and Entrepreneurship Program Coordinator
    School of Business, 301 DBH
    Samford University
    800 Lakeshore Drive
    Birmingham, AL 35229
    Office: (205) 726-2373
    Fax:    (205) 726-2464
    http://faculty.samford.edu/~ftlohrke 
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv on behalf of DeBerg, Curtis
    Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 10:38 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Dear Entrepreneurship Friends:

     

    Though he deals with the corporate form of ownership (and since most corporations are born out of the work of an entrepreneur), Joel Bakan presents an articulate case for how corporations' single-minded quest for profits and share prices is analogous to human psychopaths' "ability to use charm as a mask to hide their dangerous self-obsessed personalities." (p. 57). Further, "as a psychopathic creature, the corporation can neither recognize nor act upon moral reasons to refrain from harming others." (p. 60). Bakan's Selected Bibliography may be a good place to look for relevant articles.

     

    Sincerely,

     

    Curt

     

    Dr. Curt DeBerg, CPA

    College of Business

    California State University, Chico

    Founder: SAGE, http://www.csuchico.edu/sage

    530.898.4824

    cdeberg@csuchico.edu

    skype id: cdeberg

     

     


    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Norris Krueger
    Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:20 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

     

    Hi, Andy-

    I'll be first to mention Will Baumol's article re productive, unproductive & destructive entrepreneurship.Not really measured but I really like the attempt to categorize. Samee Desai @ Max Planck is doing her dissertation on destructive entrepreneurship; I'll cc her on this.

    The connotation that entrepreneurship is a good thing certainly seems entrenched. Is there such a thing as a failed innovation? Of course, but again the connotation (at least in popular use) runs strongly in one direction.

    Interesting contrast in connotations:
    Opportunity-seeking = Good
    Opportunism = Bad

    From the more social entrepreneurship side of things, I know scholars who wish to formally equate "opportunity" and "entrepreneurship" with positives (at least implicitly calling for new labels for the negative manifestations). I'm not sure I buy this, but perhaps renaming destructive entrepreneurship as something other than entrepreneurship might end up quite useful.

    Of course, productive & destructive are somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Or differences in critical stakeholders - I doubt that Tony Soprano thinks that his efforts are anything but highly productive, LOL.

    If you out-compete me in the marketplace, I may claim your efforts as destructive. You may beat me so completely that I exit -and what if I'm my town's biggest/best employer? I think that might be the political issue.

    In a healthy local economy, the 'ecosystem' adapts to changes - which may result in a big net gain in jobs (both numbers & quality of jobs) that includes job losses. If my polity/industry loses 200 jobs paying $20/hour, but gain 300 jobs paying $25/hour... that is a good thing. Unless you lost one of the $20/hour jobs?? The market is an amazing thing and works brilliantly -alas, it does not always work the way we think we'd like to work. [Cure that eminent alum of the London School of Economics, Mick Jagger: "You can't always get get what you want... you get what you need." LOL]

    Some interesting issues on a Sunday evening... Thanks!

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
           "I criticize by creation, not by finding fault" -Cicero

    On 10/23/07, Cardow, Andrew < A.Cardow@massey.ac.nz> wrote:

    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.

    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.

    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.

    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.

    Thanks,

    Enjoy the rest of the week.

    Kind Regards

     

    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz

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  • 11.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-29-2007 17:34

    In a larger sense, this begs the question of how we define success as an entrepreneur.   We have found the article by Cornwall and Naughton, Who is the Good Entrepreneur?, (Journal of Business Ethics, April 2003, Vol 44, No 1, p. 61) to provide a thoughtful perspective in this regard.  Paul

     

    Paul F. Buller, Ph.D.

    Kinsey M. Robinson Professor

    Academic Director, Hogan Entrepreneurial Leadership Program

    Gonzaga University

    Spokane, WA 99258-0009

    509-323-3438

    www.gonzaga.edu/entrepreneur

     

     

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Lohrke, Franz T.
    Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:45 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

     

    Hello Andrew,

    Although it doesn't refer to entrepreneurship as "evil," per se, another source you might find useful is Wicklund and Davidsson's (Summer 2001) ET&P article looking at levels of analysis in entrepreneurship research.  On page 91, they provide a 2x2 examining venture performance from both a societal and individual perspective.  Quadrant 2 includes positive outcomes for the entrepreneur and negative outcomes for society, which they refer to as "robber organizations."  (They also cite Baumol's work noted by Norris Krueger and Jan Lepoutre).

    Thus, one potentially useful way of defining "evil" entrepreneurship is based on performance outcomes, along with intent/motivation, that serve as inputs to the process.  This might also provide a potential bridge from the individual level, where the idea of evil intent seems most applicable, to the organizational level, where performance outcomes are especially relevant.

    Best of luck with your revision.

    Franz Lohrke

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Franz T. Lohrke
    Chair, Department of Management & Marketing
       and Entrepreneurship Program Coordinator
    School of Business, 301 DBH
    Samford University
    800 Lakeshore Drive
    Birmingham, AL 35229
    Office: (205) 726-2373
    Fax:    (205) 726-2464
    http://faculty.samford.edu/~ftlohrke 
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

     


    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv on behalf of DeBerg, Curtis
    Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 10:38 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Dear Entrepreneurship Friends:

     

    Though he deals with the corporate form of ownership (and since most corporations are born out of the work of an entrepreneur), Joel Bakan presents an articulate case for how corporations' single-minded quest for profits and share prices is analogous to human psychopaths' "ability to use charm as a mask to hide their dangerous self-obsessed personalities." (p. 57). Further, "as a psychopathic creature, the corporation can neither recognize nor act upon moral reasons to refrain from harming others." (p. 60). Bakan's Selected Bibliography may be a good place to look for relevant articles.

     

    Sincerely,

     

    Curt

     

    Dr. Curt DeBerg, CPA

    College of Business

    California State University, Chico

    Founder: SAGE, http://www.csuchico.edu/sage

    530.898.4824

    cdeberg@csuchico.edu

    skype id: cdeberg

     

     


    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Norris Krueger
    Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:20 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

     

    Hi, Andy-

    I'll be first to mention Will Baumol's article re productive, unproductive & destructive entrepreneurship.Not really measured but I really like the attempt to categorize. Samee Desai @ Max Planck is doing her dissertation on destructive entrepreneurship; I'll cc her on this.

    The connotation that entrepreneurship is a good thing certainly seems entrenched. Is there such a thing as a failed innovation? Of course, but again the connotation (at least in popular use) runs strongly in one direction.

    Interesting contrast in connotations:
    Opportunity-seeking = Good
    Opportunism = Bad

    From the more social entrepreneurship side of things, I know scholars who wish to formally equate "opportunity" and "entrepreneurship" with positives (at least implicitly calling for new labels for the negative manifestations). I'm not sure I buy this, but perhaps renaming destructive entrepreneurship as something other than entrepreneurship might end up quite useful.

    Of course, productive & destructive are somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Or differences in critical stakeholders - I doubt that Tony Soprano thinks that his efforts are anything but highly productive, LOL.

    If you out-compete me in the marketplace, I may claim your efforts as destructive. You may beat me so completely that I exit -and what if I'm my town's biggest/best employer? I think that might be the political issue.

    In a healthy local economy, the 'ecosystem' adapts to changes - which may result in a big net gain in jobs (both numbers & quality of jobs) that includes job losses. If my polity/industry loses 200 jobs paying $20/hour, but gain 300 jobs paying $25/hour... that is a good thing. Unless you lost one of the $20/hour jobs?? The market is an amazing thing and works brilliantly -alas, it does not always work the way we think we'd like to work. [Cure that eminent alum of the London School of Economics, Mick Jagger: "You can't always get get what you want... you get what you need." LOL]

    Some interesting issues on a Sunday evening... Thanks!

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
           "I criticize by creation, not by finding fault" -Cicero

    On 10/23/07, Cardow, Andrew <A.Cardow@massey.ac.nz> wrote:

    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.

    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.

    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.

    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.

    Thanks,

    Enjoy the rest of the week.

    Kind Regards

     

    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz

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  • 12.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-30-2007 17:16
    The story of perceiving evil intent in entrepreneurs is a long one, particularly amongst economists. Adam Smith was dead against them (the Mercantilists as they were known then). His distrust evident in his passage from An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations(1776), ‘people of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices’.

    Quesnay, Smith's mate and a leader of the so-called Enlightenment in France, wouldn't have a bar of them. Through his Tableau Economique, his Physiocrats’ ideal of the Produit Net in which nature, land, and its groups were considered the only source of wealth ran down the Mercantilists at every opportunity (he was also of course fully funded by Louis XV, so some researcher bias may have been evident there).

    John Kenneth Galbraith's "A History of Economics" covers this very
    nicely for starters.
    Cheers,
    Damian.

    Quoting a.r.anderson@RGU.AC.UK:

    > I had emailed Andrew privately but since there is so much well deserved
    > interest in the topic, I thought that I should email the group.
    >
    >
    >
    > Rob Smith and I have a paper coming out in the next edition of
    > Entrepreneurship and Regional Development which deals with the topic. We
    > ask if there is a moral space in entrepreneurship and argue that there
    > is, at least as far as entrepreneurship is a socially constructed
    > phenomenon. We spent some time with a group of London gangsters
    > collecting data for this and were surprise to find that one notorious,
    > but very entrepreneurial villain considered himself morally just!
    >
    >
    >
    > The moral space in entrepreneurship: An exploration of ethical
    > imperatives and the moral legitimacy of being enterprising.
    >
    >
    >
    > Alistair R Anderson and Rob Smith
    >
    >

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  • 13.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-30-2007 18:42
    Hi Andrew, 6 or 7 years ago I was teaching at university in Germany and used an article that had a survey that indicated that the majority of the participants believed that entrepreneurs were disruptive and detrimental to German society. Are you aware of it? If not, hopefully I can locate it.
    Regards,
    Romie

    "Cardow, Andrew" <A.Cardow@MASSEY.AC.NZ> wrote:
    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.
    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.
    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.
    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.
    Thanks,
    Enjoy the rest of the week.
    Kind Regards

    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz
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  • 14.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-30-2007 23:49
    @ Romie- there have been publications along the lines of "In Praise of Bureaucracy" that applaud the suppression of even clearly beneficial initiative-taking - in part because it conflicts with consensus. (Maybe trying to invoke Pareto-optimality?) Watching folks like Per D trying to explain in Sweden the reality of how net job creation required some old jobs to exit, that churning is good.... well, I would have bought a front row seat for that! (And a nod to the memory of Schumpeter's most dogged disciple, Swede Erik Dahmen!)

    @ Chuck - words are powerful things and "entrepreneur" and its variants are still pretty new in common usage. But we can overuse them indeed, you are right! It harks back to something we've heard since you & I were pups -- that we must be very careful and very clear in our definitions. (A consensus definition would be wonderful, but till we get there - perhaps fueled by debates such as these? - let's be as precise as humanly possible in our definitions & our measures.)

    This is a lot more fun than working... thanks, all!

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"     
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
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    On 10/30/07, Romie Littrell <littrellaom@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
    Hi Andrew, 6 or 7 years ago I was teaching at university in Germany and used an article that had a survey that indicated that the majority of the participants believed that entrepreneurs were disruptive and detrimental to German society. Are you aware of it? If not, hopefully I can locate it.
    Regards,
    Romie

    "Cardow, Andrew" < A.Cardow@MASSEY.AC.NZ> wrote:
    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.
    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.
    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.
    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.
    Thanks,
    Enjoy the rest of the week.
    Kind Regards

    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz
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  • 15.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-31-2007 10:34
    Andrew,

    "Evil" is such a loaded word. I cannot think of a way to define evil
    without reference to a value system. And then whose value system do we
    use? We could use elements common to most value systems and then agree
    that certain acts of gross evil are indeed evil, e.g., genocide. But I
    don't think we could reach that kind of agreement on entrepreneurial
    acts in general. In terms of what happened to the Armenians, the folks
    in the U.S. Congress cannot even agree on genocide.

    To me, evil implies acting with an intent to harm others. I think that
    when entrepreneurs harm others through their pursuits, they are acting
    without regard to the wellbeing of others - not with an intent to harm.
    My PhD training is in strategy, and I would sooner associate strategy
    with a term like "evil" than I would entrepreneurship. Strategy focuses
    on getting ahead, usually by impeding competitors. At least as I
    understand and teach it, entrepreneurship focuses on finding and meeting
    a need. I can "sell" entrepreneurship to non-business students who are
    queasy about taking a business class, but they get turned off when I
    cover strategy in their entrepreneurship class. So it is hard for me to
    see entrepreneurship as any more evil than strategy - or any other
    business discipline.

    Is technology good or evil? The answer depends on how technology is
    applied. I would say the same of entrepreneurship. I teach students
    that the tools they learn in an entrepreneurship class can have positive
    or negative affects on society. It is their choice - and responsibility
    - to determine how to apply them and thus to determine how their actions
    will affect others. I need to do more in terms of teaching students how
    to assess the impact of entrepreneurial actions on society. Hopefully,
    your question will push me and others in that direction.

    That's a long introduction, but here's what I wanted to suggest. It
    might be more interesting and productive to look at entrepreneurship as
    mental illness rather than evil. See John Gartner's book, "The
    Hypomanic Edge,"-

    http://www.hypomanicedge.com/

    Viewing entrepreneurship as mental illness might be an interesting angle
    for your article; it certainly makes for very lively classroom
    discussions. I have seen other books on creativity and mental illness -
    so there's literature to support an article on the marriage of mental
    illness and entrepreneurship. It seems to be make more sense - and to
    be more productive - to label entrepreneurship as mental illness than as
    evil. The only sensible response to evil is to end it. Where would
    ending entrepreneurship get us? Right where we already are, and that's
    not a sustainable position.

    -Ben

    --
    Benjamin C. Powell
    Assistant Professor of Management
    Walker College of Business
    Appalachian State University
    Raley Hall, ASU Box 32089
    Boone, NC 28608-2089

    powellbc@appstate.edu
    828.262.8332 (phone)
    828.265.8685 (fax)



    Cardow, Andrew wrote:
    >
    > Greetings all.
    >
    > I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of
    > evil and entrepreneurship. While making the changes requested I
    > thought about an alternative approach.
    >
    > There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the
    > discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of
    > entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at
    > school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the
    > entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.
    >
    > I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight
    > entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community. I am
    > not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for
    > evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is
    > good. My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without
    > ethics. Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation,
    > creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just
    > as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also
    > appear as evil in society.
    >
    > I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where
    > entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted/
    > for/ evil.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Enjoy the rest of the week.
    >
    > Kind Regards
    >
    >
    > Dr Andrew Cardow
    > Department of Management and International Business
    > Massey University, Auckland NZ
    > ph + 64 9 414 0800
    > a.cardow@massey.ac.nz
    >
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  • 16.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-31-2007 11:29
    Hi Andrew -
     
    Not sure if it has come up yet, but if not, have a look at Manfred Kets de Vries' work on "The Dark Side of Entrepreneurship".  Best wishes in your research!
     
    Vanessa
     

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    The University of Western Ontario
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    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Romie Littrell
    Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:42 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Hi Andrew, 6 or 7 years ago I was teaching at university in Germany and used an article that had a survey that indicated that the majority of the participants believed that entrepreneurs were disruptive and detrimental to German society. Are you aware of it? If not, hopefully I can locate it.
    Regards,
    Romie

    "Cardow, Andrew" <A.Cardow@MASSEY.AC.NZ> wrote:
    Greetings all.
     
    I am working on revising an article that deals with the marriage of evil and entrepreneurship.  While  making the changes requested I thought about an alternative approach.
    There seems to me an awful lot of literature around within the discipline that suggests or infers that the pursuit of entrepreneurship is a "good' and such pursuits should be encouraged at school, at the university, in work, and in conjunction with the entrepreneurial orientation, as a way of viewing the world.
    I am keen to find specific articles, Marx aside, that highlight entrepreneurship as an evil, or 'bad' force in the community.  I am not wishing to drag up how entrepreneurship can be "corrupted' for evil, for that in itself infers that entrepreneurship in essence is good.  My stand point is that entrepreneurship is amoral, and without ethics.  Entrepreneurial activity for me involves innovation, creativity, proactivty in an environment of risk/uncertainty. So just as it could be involved in non business applications so it could also appear as evil in society.
    I was just wondering if anyone has come across specific articles where entrepreneurship is considered evil, not as I have said corrupted for evil.
    Thanks,
    Enjoy the rest of the week.
    Kind Regards

    Dr Andrew Cardow
    Department of Management and International Business
    Massey University, Auckland NZ
    ph + 64 9 414 0800
    a.cardow@massey.ac.nz
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  • 17.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-31-2007 12:45
    @ Ben - But, following Richard's cue, even "mental illness" itself is socially constructed. The highly creative may be deviant from social norms, yet have found ways to channel that.  *Not* seeing& acting on a great opportunity could be attributed to pessimism, even depressive tendencies?

    We make attributions (Shaver! Get IN here!) all the time - "good" and "evil" are at some level an attribution based on some set of deep beliefs/assumptions. Kelly can say this better than I, but "evil" seems much akin to "blame" (in the strict definitional sense) - attributions of blame require the belief that you did me harm and did so willfully. (BTW, blame attributions are rarely healthy, even if accurate.) We need to understand that when we think of good & evil, that we understand why we use those labels.

    @Vanessa & others who mentioned Kets de Vries - there may well be psychodynamic origins of that ability & willingness to deploy that deviance -to think differently.

    Entrepreneurs, to be successful, have to connect the dots differently. That could be attributed as deviant -or as creative. If I find a way to connect the dots successfully that disrupts an industry -am I evil? Am I deviant? Or am I doing my job? I've been interviewing experts in competitive intelligence - people who connect highly disparate & fuzzy dots for a living. What fascinates me is that they can be more than a bit odd (even by my standards, LOL) but the best ones are quite mindful about the process. They *know* how they themselves connect dots, they tend to know more than one way to connect dots, know how to learn new ways to connect dots, and occasionally know when to use which method of dot-connecting. (Read Robert Baron's '06 AMP article, if this whets your appetite.)

    But if I connect the dots differently - is that not deviance, potentially even mental dysfunction? (I am an excellent driver. LOL)

    I see this as evidence that Andy's root question requires an answer to "*Who* decides? *Who* gets to make the attribution of 'good' and 'evil'?" (And just maybe "shouldn't *we* be helping shape those norms?")

    Back in 2000, a very prominent political candidate said, "I love small business. I hate entrepreneurs, but I love small business." Entrepreneurs keep disrupting things, ya know.....  but it did get a hearty laugh from the faithful. Interesting cultural ambivalence...

    p.s. Andy - how ya holdin' up under this barrage?

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"     
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
           "I criticize by creation, not by finding fault" -Cicero

    On 10/31/07, Ben Powell <powellbc@appstate.edu> wrote:
    Andrew,

    "Evil" is such a loaded word.  I cannot think of a way to define evil
    without reference to a value system.  And then whose value system do we
    use?  We could use elements common to most value systems and then agree
    that certain acts of gross evil are indeed evil, e.g., genocide.  But I
    don't think we could reach that kind of agreement on entrepreneurial
    acts in general.  In terms of what happened to the Armenians, the folks
    in the U.S. Congress cannot even agree on genocide.

    To me, evil implies acting with an intent to harm others.  I think that
    when entrepreneurs harm others through their pursuits, they are acting
    without regard to the wellbeing of others - not with an intent to harm.
    My PhD training is in strategy, and I would sooner associate strategy
    with a term like "evil" than I would entrepreneurship.  Strategy focuses
    on getting ahead, usually by impeding competitors.  At least as I
    understand and teach it, entrepreneurship focuses on finding and meeting
    a need.  I can "sell" entrepreneurship to non-business students who are
    queasy about taking a business class, but they get turned off when I
    cover strategy in their entrepreneurship class.  So it is hard for me to
    see entrepreneurship as any more evil than strategy - or any other
    business discipline.

    Is technology good or evil?  The answer depends on how technology is
    applied.  I would say the same of entrepreneurship.  I teach students
    that the tools they learn in an entrepreneurship class can have positive
    or negative affects on society.  It is their choice - and responsibility
    - to determine how to apply them and thus to determine how their actions
    will affect others.  I need to do more in terms of teaching students how
    to assess the impact of entrepreneurial actions on society.  Hopefully,
    your question will push me and others in that direction.

    That's a long introduction, but here's what I wanted to suggest.  It
    might be more interesting and productive to look at entrepreneurship as
    mental illness rather than evil.  See John Gartner's book, "The
    Hypomanic Edge,"-

    http://www.hypomanicedge.com/

    Viewing entrepreneurship as mental illness might be an interesting angle
    for your article; it certainly makes for very lively classroom
    discussions.  I have seen other books on creativity and mental illness -
    so there's literature to support an article on the marriage of mental
    illness and entrepreneurship.  It seems to be make more sense - and to
    be more productive - to label entrepreneurship as mental illness than as
    evil.  The only sensible response to evil is to end it.  Where would
    ending entrepreneurship get us?  Right where we already are, and that's
    not a sustainable position.

    -Ben

    --
    Benjamin C. Powell
    Assistant Professor of Management
    Walker College of Business
    Appalachian State University
    Raley Hall, ASU Box 32089
    Boone, NC 28608-2089

    powellbc@appstate.edu
    828.262.8332 (phone)
    828.265.8685 (fax)



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  • 18.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-31-2007 15:07
    I personally find this discussion about Entrepreneurship as a social "evil" quite disconcerting. Of course evil exists in our world and like most things, there is a dark side to entrepreneurship? I think that it is one thing for there to be a dark side to entrepreneurship and another to say that entrepreneurship is driven by evil. Is the dark side of entrepreneurship systematic or is it a random occurrence across the population?

    Let me suggest an alternative research track with which we may approach this. Let us think about this from a transaction cost perspective (Williamson, 1985). Because entrepreneurship invariably involves a small entity (significant vertical integration is rarely an option), they have to develop exchanges with multiple outside suppliers and buyers in spite of the fact that they are dealing with specific assets. Entrepreneurs by definition also operate in highly uncertain context given the innovations that they are seeking to commercialize. Because of resource constraints and the uncertainty that they operate in, it is unrealistic for them to consistently engage in transactions based on contingent claim contracts.

    It seems that the only realistic alternative for entrepreneurs is for them to operate based on trust. If they have not developed a reputation of consistent trustworthiness among external exchange agents, I venture to say that such entrepreneurs will soon be out of business. As a case in point, I have repeatedly seen capital providers back away from a deal if there is any "hint" of wrong doing or ethical compromising on the part of the entrepreneurs. Here is my research proposition: The presence of evil, wrong doing, ethical compromises, and questionable behavior will usually severely limit the growth potential of a venture and take the entrepreneurs out of business prematurely.

    Lowell Busenitz
    University of Oklahoma

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    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Charles H. Matthews, Ph.D.
    Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:12 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] SV: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Alistair,

    This sounds like a very interesting paper. I would be interested in reading it. Thanks for sharing this on the listserve as it adds an interesting dimension to the discussion.

    Of course, now I have to ask, at what point do we cross the line from entrepreneurism to criminal activity? An entrepreneurial villain? It is interesting terminology, but it would seem to me you did your research on a group of gangsters not entrepreneurs. Or would you argue that they are entrepreneurs who have used their power for evil instead of good?

    Why is it we continue to muddy the waters by allowing the terms entrepreneur and entrepreneurial to be hijacked by every group that comes along including criminals? When one engages in illegal activity for financial gain why do we still want to call them entrepreneurial? There is a perfectly good word for what they are doing - criminal. Yet, entrepreneurial has become the adjective of choice.

    Which brings us full circle - was Al Capone a notorious criminal engaging in illegal commercial activities some under the guise of legitimate commerce (usually for the illegal purposes of money laundering) or an evil entrepreneur? A ruthless thug or an entrepreneurial villain? Both?

    Just curious...

    Chuck
    Charles H. Matthews, Ph.D.
    Professor of Entrepreneurship and Strategic Management
    Executive Director, UC Center for Entrepreneurship
    Education & Research
    University of Cincinnati
    Cincinnati, OH 45221

    ---- Original message ----
    >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:30:20 +0000
    >From: a.r.anderson@RGU.AC.UK
    >Subject: Re: [ENTREP] SV: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"
    >To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    >
    > I had emailed Andrew privately but since there is so
    > much well deserved interest in the topic, I thought
    > that I should email the group.
    >
    > Rob Smith and I have a paper coming out in the next
    > edition of Entrepreneurship and Regional Development
    > which deals with the topic. We ask if there is a
    > moral space in entrepreneurship and argue that there
    > is, at least as far as entrepreneurship is a
    > socially constructed phenomenon. We spent some time
    > with a group of London gangsters collecting data for
    > this and were surprise to find that one notorious,
    > but very entrepreneurial villain considered himself
    > morally just!
    >
    >
    >
    > The moral space in entrepreneurship: An exploration
    > of ethical imperatives and the moral legitimacy of
    > being enterprising.
    >
    >
    >
    > Alistair R Anderson and Rob Smith
    >
    >
    >
    > Abstract
    >
    >
    >
    > This paper explores the morality associated with
    > entrepreneurship. It has been argued that there is
    > no moral space in entrepreneurship, but such
    > instrumental views may the miss out much of the
    > nature of enterprise and how it is understood.
    > Consequently we propose that a socially constructed
    > perspective, based upon the meanings of
    > entrepreneurship, may help to understand the
    > morality of entrepreneurship. By applying such a
    > lens, we find that the narratives and discourses of
    > the meanings of entrepreneurship are ideological and
    > clearly present a moral space. This space lies
    > between the individual and society and is
    > normatively articulated in entrepreneurial
    > discourses. We develop a tentative framework which
    > links values and outcomes that shows how
    > "authenticated" entrepreneurship, that is to say
    > that which resonates with a socially approved moral
    > dimension, is legitimised by comparisons with a
    > socially constructed view. The empirical part of the
    > paper comprises of two case stories. The first is a
    > local garage owner who has a reputation as a decent
    > man; the second is a notorious, but entrepreneurial
    > London gangster. Our analysis shows that to be
    > judged "entrepreneurial", it is not enough to act
    > entrepreneurially; the social constructs of public
    > perceptions entail examining both moral means and
    > moral ends. We conclude that there is a moral
    > imperative in entrepreneurship.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Happy to send a word copy to anyone interested
    >
    >
    >
    > Alistair
    >
    > ----------------------------------------------------
    >
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    > Henrik Berglund
    > Sent: 29 October 2007 22:59
    > To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    > Subject: [ENTREP] SV: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a
    > social "evil"
    >
    >
    >
    > Since much of the discussion seems to center on
    > economics and functional views of entrepreneurship,
    > I think the following statement by Ludwig von Mises
    > might be of interest. In it, Mises writes of his
    > very general theory of human action. However, the
    > value-neutrality of the message is especially valid
    > in the case of entrepreneurial action:
    >
    >
    >
    > Ethical doctrines are intent upon establishing
    > scales of value according to which man should
    > act but does not necessarily always act. They
    > claim for themselves the vocation of telling
    > right from wrong and of advising man concerning
    > what he should aim at as the supreme good. They
    > are normative disciplines aiming at the
    > cognition of what ought to be. They are not
    > neutral with regard to facts; they judge them
    > from the point of view of freely adopted
    > standards.
    >
    >
    >
    > This is not the attitude of praxeology and
    > economics. They are fully aware of the fact that
    > the ultimate ends of human action are not open
    > to examination from any absolute standard.
    > Ultimate ends are ultimately given, they are
    > purely subjective, they differ with various
    > people and with the same people at various
    > moments in their lives. Praxeology and economics
    > deal with the means for the attainment of ends
    > chosen by the acting individuals. They do not
    > express any opinion with regard to such problems
    > as whether or not sybaritism is better than
    > asceticism. They apply to the means only one
    > yardstick, viz., whether or not they are
    > suitable to attain the ends at which the acting
    > individuals aim.
    >
    >
    >
    > The notions of abnormality and perversity
    > therefore have no place in economics. It does
    > not say that a man is perverse because he
    > prefers the disagreeable, the detrimental, and
    > the painful to the agreeable, the beneficial,
    > and the pleasant. It says only that he is
    > different from other people; that he likes what
    > others detest; that he considers useful what
    > others want to avoid; that he takes pleasure in
    > enduring pain which others avoid because it
    > hurts them.
    >
    > http://www.mises.org/story/2711
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Two questions arise: 1) Does 'evil' entrepreneurship
    > differ from 'good' entrepreneurship in its "means
    > for the attainment of ends"? 2) If not, should
    > entrepreneurship qua economic function be discussed
    > in ethical terms?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > /Henrik
    >
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    >
    >
    >
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  • 19.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-31-2007 16:36
    I have been following this with mystification. To me it seems so simple. Entrepreneurship is a process, a wonderful one. If used by evil people and/ or for evil purposes, the actions and outcomes can be evil, but not entrepreneurship itself.
     
    Bob
     
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    >>> "Busenitz, Lowell W." <busenitz@OU.EDU> 31/10/2007 1:07 pm >>>
    I personally find this discussion about Entrepreneurship as a social "evil" quite disconcerting.  Of course evil exists in our world and like most things, there is a dark side to entrepreneurship?  I think that it is one thing for there to be a dark side to entrepreneurship and another to say that entrepreneurship is driven by evil.  Is the dark side of entrepreneurship systematic or is it a random occurrence across the population?

    Let me suggest an alternative research track with which we may approach this.  Let us think about this from a transaction cost perspective (Williamson, 1985).  Because entrepreneurship invariably involves a small entity (significant vertical integration is rarely an option), they have to develop exchanges with multiple outside ************************************** This message is from ENTREP which is sponsored by the Entrepreneurship Division of the Academy of Management. Please do not post messages with attached files. Commercial messages or spammed messages are not allowed on the list. The use of auto-responder "out-of-office" messages may also lead to your removal from the list. You can manage your subscription options, including joining or leaving the list here: http://aomlists.pace.edu/scripts/wa.exe?SUBED1=entrep&A=1 If you have questions or need help, please contact Dr. John Bunch jbunch@benedictine.edu. Ventures HO!


  • 20.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 10-31-2007 18:45
    Bob

    To say that entrepreneurship is 'a wonderful process' assumes an a priori position on the debate - I would prefer to see entrepreneurship as a process, morally and legally neutral, which can be 'evil' (or not) in intention and consequence (and these are not, of course, the same) - there is a connection here with Lowell's suggestion as to a research proposition, but again, while I agree that trust is important, the proposition is grounded in a view of entrepreneurship that is essentially functional, and (more importantly) is understood in terms of survival and growth rather ethat start-up, which takes us back to the thorny issue of what behaviours and effects we see as 'entrepreneurship'

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    I have been following this with mystification. To me it seems so simple. Entrepreneurship is a process, a wonderful one. If used by evil people and/ or for evil purposes, the actions and outcomes can be evil, but not entrepreneurship itself.

    Bob

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    >>> "Busenitz, Lowell W." <busenitz@OU.EDU> 31/10/2007 1:07 pm >>>
    I personally find this discussion about Entrepreneurship as a social "evil" quite disconcerting. Of course evil exists in our world and like most things, there is a dark side to entrepreneurship? I think that it is one thing for there to be a dark side to entrepreneurship and another to say that entrepreneurship is driven by evil. Is the dark side of entrepreneurship systematic or is it a random occurrence across the population?

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  • 21.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 11-01-2007 02:37
    Andrew: you have let a cat among the pigeons alright.

    If the rules of the game to research e-ship only as socially desirable are
    the pigeons, we need more cats. Some occasionally visit in the shape of
    papers mentioned in this exchange - and may I add, Richard Osborne (1991,
    Long range planning, 24, 3). However they mostly address entrepreneurial
    ego, the abuse of entrepreneurial power, etc. Not so much about whether
    the process itself has the seeds of destruction. It is much easier to look
    at the ethical dimension instead (because you can then define 'whose
    destruction'). I agree with Richard's classification and would add the
    ethical/unethical. It is great that, as Curt says, Bill Gates shows
    concern for the disenfranchised now (as he is overtaken as the richest man
    in the world, as we write) but I wonder if Ken Sakamura would not be
    chuckling at the suggestion. And also as Curt says we all need to look at
    social e-ship sometime, about now (sorry Norris, this shd be your line).

    There was a paper that tracked public perception of entrepreneurs by
    analysing articles/items on e-ship in major British dailies over a few
    decades (hope to find it). With the legitimacy that public opinion can
    bring - British in this case - it shows the issue is linked to context as
    has been mentioned here. It is time we examined the dark side, and even in
    the theoretical sense - in the way that Edmund Leach (1967 Reith Lectures)
    asked of scientists about inventing the bomb (ok, the fusion/fission
    reactions) or in his following remark: "it is quite respectable to conduct
    intensive research how the sex of children might be pre-determined, but it
    is not the scietnists' business to speculate about how this discovery
    might affect the future of mankind". We cant, as Leach says, evade this
    question for ever, we must take responsibilty for its consequences. Unless
    we also say, like the scientist in the lab, that our concern is to only
    understand entrepreneurship, not to improve/criticise it. I believe we
    must say Bill Gates conned Jobs on the GUI agreement or that he was lucky
    not farsighted that rival (CP/M maker) could not sue then for infringement
    (institutional setting again), just as much as we say he was brilliant in
    some ways. If ethics is brought into the equation, the 10 years of bug-
    infested MS product instead of a much better potential product was a high
    cost to business.

    Is entrepreneurhip amoral? Inasmuch as it is others that entrepreneurs
    have to beat to get ahead, it is only the institutionally accepted
    boundaries that define what is permissible in that 'beating'. It is by not
    only challenging the student but by challenging the theories we tell them
    to study that we can educate, following Paulo Friere (1970).

    Andrew, like others, I too am interested in how you take this research
    forward. If you are in Auckland, wd be great to meet up sometime.

    Sanjay Bhowmick
    U of Auckland Business School

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  • 22.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 11-01-2007 11:50
    Sanjay - yes, the social entrepreneurship folks who lurk around here have NOT chimed in, have they?

    What first drug me into that was working with environmental entrepreneurs, most of whom would have punched me for calling them "entrepreneurs", LOL. (Some of them because E's are just junior robber barons, others because they'd never heard the term, LOL).

    There was definitely an ambivalence about saving the world... and getting rich doing so. In some cases, the passion was for The Cause & a for-profit venture was necessary; in others, the passion was really more for the customer. To a lot of nonprofits, earned income is a necessary evil. Necessary, but still a bit morally suspect.

    Still, entrepreneurial skills & passion remain a provably potent way to address important market failings, especially where institutions are missing or fatally flawed [Johanna Mair's work on institutional voids]. I suspect that Alistair & Rob's gangsters perceive themselves as filling market niches that existing institutions do not or cannot. Or, if you prefer, large institutions seem relatively unable to address BOTP needs/wants... but microenterprise can. Microfinance is big business now, but it only truly succeeds where it's bottom up.

    We see that it took the entrepreneurs to drive green building design - LEED was hardly a governmental effort & now its becoming a no-brainer. I work a bit in sustainable economic development (which differs from sustainable development, which in my neck of the woods completely excludes job creation, LOL). To develop a community sustainably requires a very entrepreneurial approach: You need to focus on 'growing your own' (not business attraction) and, in turn, that requires community developers to be entrepreneurial [do read Ana Maria Peredo's '06 AMR on community entrepreneurship -she say this much better than I can].

    Sanjay, the one thing that struck me immediately about those green entrepreneurs a decade ago is what galvanized my research interest. They really are entrepreneurs in how they think - oriented toward actionable opportunities & taking initiative [& away from bureaucratic solutions]. Two recent research projects I think might shed a bit of light.

    The controversial one is how social entrepreneurs (& entrepreneurs) rose to the occasion in both major US floods, Katrina & Grand Forks. Grand Forks was hit proportionately far harder than New Orleans, but responded much more effectively, in large part because they responded much more entrepreneurially. However, in Grand Forks it sure seems like the bureaucrats there *still* don't know what happened. In New Orleans, it sure seems that the best work in fixing the mess came from entrepreneurial and social entrepreneurial efforts (like Musicians Village)  This grossly oversimplifies the differences, but it illustrates the potential value that the entrepreneurial mindset offers, even if it may be threatening to those with a bureaucratic mindset. Were there entrepreneurs in both settings that exploited the situation unfairly? True dat. [ http://pronetos.com/disciplines/5/articles/13 ]

    We've noted the importance of intent. The other research stream that is just starting to take off has to do, essentially, with passion. Where is the locus of an entrepreneur's passion? Is it for money or for serving customers or for inventing cool stuff? Jeff Robinson & Shalei Simms have looked at differences in mindset in social entrepreneurs who (a) come from the entrepreneur side and (b) come from the social activist side. The differences in role identity are pretty stark & both have to change to be effective as social entrepreneurs. We have ways to elicit people's 'hot button' preferences (the sine qua non "must-haves") -preliminary evidence suggests that social entrepreneurs need to be passionate about both being entrepreneurial AND about The Cause. [ http://pronetos.com/disciplines/5/articles/12 ]

    Means *and* ends, to echo Alistair and others. Anyway, sorry for the long post - but I'm headed out on the road. We have ways to identify where entrepreneurs' passions lie, whether statistical techniques like discrete choice modeling or my next adventure, neuroscience techniques. (Can I stick any of your heads into an fMRI machine? LOL)

    Cheers, all!

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

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    On 11/1/07, Sanjay Bhowmick <s.bhowmick@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
    Andrew: you have let a cat among the pigeons alright.

    If the rules of the game to research e-ship only as socially desirable are
    the pigeons, we need more cats. Some occasionally visit in the shape of
    papers mentioned in this exchange - and may I add, Richard Osborne (1991,
    Long range planning, 24, 3). However they mostly address entrepreneurial
    ego, the abuse of entrepreneurial power, etc. Not so much about whether
    the process itself has the seeds of destruction. It is much easier to look
    at the ethical dimension instead (because you can then define 'whose
    destruction'). I agree with Richard's classification and would add the
    ethical/unethical. It is great that, as Curt says, Bill Gates shows
    concern for the disenfranchised now (as he is overtaken as the richest man
    in the world, as we write) but I wonder if Ken Sakamura would not be
    chuckling at the suggestion. And also as Curt says we all need to look at
    social e-ship sometime, about now (sorry Norris, this shd be your line).

    There was a paper that tracked public perception of entrepreneurs by
    analysing articles/items on e-ship in major British dailies over a few
    decades (hope to find it). With the legitimacy that public opinion can
    bring - British in this case - it shows the issue is linked to context as
    has been mentioned here. It is time we examined the dark side, and even in
    the theoretical sense - in the way that Edmund Leach (1967 Reith Lectures)
    asked of scientists about inventing the bomb (ok, the fusion/fission
    reactions) or in his following remark: "it is quite respectable to conduct
    intensive research how the sex of children might be pre-determined, but it
    is not the scietnists' business to speculate about how this discovery
    might affect the future of mankind". We cant, as Leach says, evade this
    question for ever, we must take responsibilty for its consequences. Unless
    we also say, like the scientist in the lab, that our concern is to only
    understand entrepreneurship, not to improve/criticise it. I believe we
    must say Bill Gates conned Jobs on the GUI agreement or that he was lucky
    not farsighted that rival (CP/M maker) could not sue then for infringement
    (institutional setting again), just as much as we say he was brilliant in
    some ways. If ethics is brought into the equation, the 10 years of bug-
    infested MS product instead of a much better potential product was a high
    cost to business.

    Is entrepreneurhip amoral? Inasmuch as it is others that entrepreneurs
    have to beat to get ahead, it is only the institutionally accepted
    boundaries that define what is permissible in that 'beating'. It is by not
    only challenging the student but by challenging the theories we tell them
    to study that we can educate, following Paulo Friere (1970).

    Andrew, like others, I too am interested in how you take this research
    forward. If you are in Auckland, wd be great to meet up sometime.

    Sanjay Bhowmick
    U of Auckland Business School

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  • 23.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 11-01-2007 13:30
    What Norris is reminding us about social entrepreneurship is interesting.
    If we cannot think of what distinguishes benevolent entrepreneurship from evil entrepreneurship (other than gangsters and criminal bahaviors) perhaps our standard of what is benevolent is too low.  Founders of companies like Patagonia or Ben & Jerry's  and many of the socially responsible firms may provide us with an insight of what NOT-EVIL entrepreneurship is.
    Perhaps all those entrepreneurial firms that make unhealthy foods, pollute the environment, make violent games or movies, or do not provide enough equity for its employees are evil as well.
     
     


     
    On 11/1/07, Norris Krueger <norris.krueger@gmail.com> wrote:
    Sanjay - yes, the social entrepreneurship folks who lurk around here have NOT chimed in, have they?

    What first drug me into that was working with environmental entrepreneurs, most of whom would have punched me for calling them "entrepreneurs", LOL. (Some of them because E's are just junior robber barons, others because they'd never heard the term, LOL).

    There was definitely an ambivalence about saving the world... and getting rich doing so. In some cases, the passion was for The Cause & a for-profit venture was necessary; in others, the passion was really more for the customer. To a lot of nonprofits, earned income is a necessary evil. Necessary, but still a bit morally suspect.

    Still, entrepreneurial skills & passion remain a provably potent way to address important market failings, especially where institutions are missing or fatally flawed [Johanna Mair's work on institutional voids]. I suspect that Alistair & Rob's gangsters perceive themselves as filling market niches that existing institutions do not or cannot. Or, if you prefer, large institutions seem relatively unable to address BOTP needs/wants... but microenterprise can. Microfinance is big business now, but it only truly succeeds where it's bottom up.

    We see that it took the entrepreneurs to drive green building design - LEED was hardly a governmental effort & now its becoming a no-brainer. I work a bit in sustainable economic development (which differs from sustainable development, which in my neck of the woods completely excludes job creation, LOL). To develop a community sustainably requires a very entrepreneurial approach: You need to focus on 'growing your own' (not business attraction) and, in turn, that requires community developers to be entrepreneurial [do read Ana Maria Peredo's '06 AMR on community entrepreneurship -she say this much better than I can].

    Sanjay, the one thing that struck me immediately about those green entrepreneurs a decade ago is what galvanized my research interest. They really are entrepreneurs in how they think - oriented toward actionable opportunities & taking initiative [& away from bureaucratic solutions]. Two recent research projects I think might shed a bit of light.

    The controversial one is how social entrepreneurs (& entrepreneurs) rose to the occasion in both major US floods, Katrina & Grand Forks. Grand Forks was hit proportionately far harder than New Orleans, but responded much more effectively, in large part because they responded much more entrepreneurially. However, in Grand Forks it sure seems like the bureaucrats there *still* don't know what happened. In New Orleans, it sure seems that the best work in fixing the mess came from entrepreneurial and social entrepreneurial efforts (like Musicians Village)  This grossly oversimplifies the differences, but it illustrates the potential value that the entrepreneurial mindset offers, even if it may be threatening to those with a bureaucratic mindset. Were there entrepreneurs in both settings that exploited the situation unfairly? True dat. [ http://pronetos.com/disciplines/5/articles/13 ]

    We've noted the importance of intent. The other research stream that is just starting to take off has to do, essentially, with passion. Where is the locus of an entrepreneur's passion? Is it for money or for serving customers or for inventing cool stuff? Jeff Robinson & Shalei Simms have looked at differences in mindset in social entrepreneurs who (a) come from the entrepreneur side and (b) come from the social activist side. The differences in role identity are pretty stark & both have to change to be effective as social entrepreneurs. We have ways to elicit people's 'hot button' preferences (the sine qua non "must-haves") -preliminary evidence suggests that social entrepreneurs need to be passionate about both being entrepreneurial AND about The Cause. [ http://pronetos.com/disciplines/5/articles/12 ]

    Means *and* ends, to echo Alistair and others. Anyway, sorry for the long post - but I'm headed out on the road. We have ways to identify where entrepreneurs' passions lie, whether statistical techniques like discrete choice modeling or my next adventure, neuroscience techniques. (Can I stick any of your heads into an fMRI machine? LOL)

    Cheers, all!

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

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    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
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    On 11/1/07, Sanjay Bhowmick <s.bhowmick@auckland.ac.nz > wrote:
    Andrew: you have let a cat among the pigeons alright.

    If the rules of the game to research e-ship only as socially desirable are
    the pigeons, we need more cats. Some occasionally visit in the shape of
    papers mentioned in this exchange - and may I add, Richard Osborne (1991,
    Long range planning, 24, 3). However they mostly address entrepreneurial
    ego, the abuse of entrepreneurial power, etc. Not so much about whether
    the process itself has the seeds of destruction. It is much easier to look
    at the ethical dimension instead (because you can then define 'whose
    destruction'). I agree with Richard's classification and would add the
    ethical/unethical. It is great that, as Curt says, Bill Gates shows
    concern for the disenfranchised now (as he is overtaken as the richest man
    in the world, as we write) but I wonder if Ken Sakamura would not be
    chuckling at the suggestion. And also as Curt says we all need to look at
    social e-ship sometime, about now (sorry Norris, this shd be your line).

    There was a paper that tracked public perception of entrepreneurs by
    analysing articles/items on e-ship in major British dailies over a few
    decades (hope to find it). With the legitimacy that public opinion can
    bring - British in this case - it shows the issue is linked to context as
    has been mentioned here. It is time we examined the dark side, and even in
    the theoretical sense - in the way that Edmund Leach (1967 Reith Lectures)
    asked of scientists about inventing the bomb (ok, the fusion/fission
    reactions) or in his following remark: "it is quite respectable to conduct
    intensive research how the sex of children might be pre-determined, but it
    is not the scietnists' business to speculate about how this discovery
    might affect the future of mankind". We cant, as Leach says, evade this
    question for ever, we must take responsibilty for its consequences. Unless
    we also say, like the scientist in the lab, that our concern is to only
    understand entrepreneurship, not to improve/criticise it. I believe we
    must say Bill Gates conned Jobs on the GUI agreement or that he was lucky
    not farsighted that rival (CP/M maker) could not sue then for infringement
    (institutional setting again), just as much as we say he was brilliant in
    some ways. If ethics is brought into the equation, the 10 years of bug-
    infested MS product instead of a much better potential product was a high
    cost to business.

    Is entrepreneurhip amoral? Inasmuch as it is others that entrepreneurs
    have to beat to get ahead, it is only the institutionally accepted
    boundaries that define what is permissible in that 'beating'. It is by not
    only challenging the student but by challenging the theories we tell them
    to study that we can educate, following Paulo Friere (1970).

    Andrew, like others, I too am interested in how you take this research
    forward. If you are in Auckland, wd be great to meet up sometime.

    Sanjay Bhowmick
    U of Auckland Business School

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  • 24.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 11-01-2007 13:55
    Good to hear you chime in, Dave!

    Q: What you call a microlender charging 16-18% to the very poor?
    A: Grameen

    LOL, but "benevolence" -wherever the bar is placed - is kinda tricky. Who decides? But I think Dave gives us a wedge to figure out one approach (ok, one I like - LOL)

    I lived in Bozeman when Patagonia came to town with Chouinard himself vowing there would never be layoffs at Patagonia. Of course, that proved, um, not the case. Anita Roddick is not someone you'd want to do business with - but people will physically harass you if you point out her feet of clay. And, there's all sorts of "greenwashing" out there. Yet, all these folks deem themselves responsible, even noble. And they are in the eyes of many devotees.So, who decides "benevolent"?

    However.... we might able to look at how rents (indeed, all externalities - negative as well as positive) get allocated by entrepreneurs across stakeholders. Any good entrepreneur should minimize the negative externalities allocated to others (maybe even to competitors?) and strive to generate economic and/or noneconomic rents for customers, suppliers, employees, neighbors, etc. That's potentially measurable (despite the eye-of-beholder problem). An old definition that says entrepreneurs recombine/re-organize resources to use those resources more productively (so shouldn't 'good' entrepreneurs generate a better production function?). But, again, who decides?

    [soapbox font/on]
    My answer that Dave nudged me toward: I do. We do.

    It's up to us to vote with our wallets. There's a joke in sustainability circles about the "90-10 rule" - if there's a greener product that is significantly more expensive, 90% of humans will say they are interested; 10% actually do buy. That's the bad news. The good news is that where things are comparable, average consumers do care about social & environmental sustainability. (Who's in favor of waste anyhow?)

    And, given lexicographic preferencing, our consumer (and investor) preferences likely differ a lot - I might prefer entrepreneurs who take care of customers, Andy may care more about rents being allocated to the workers. so, can't we buy & invest appropriately? I think it's Trillium Investment that will calculate you a diversified portfolio with your desired beta, but using your screens ( e.g., defense stocks ok, but no tobacco, overweight Korea, etc.)

    p.s. And, we have more than wallets (most of you make tons more than I do) - we have the bully pulpit.
    [soapbox font/off]



    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

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    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
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    On 11/1/07, David Y Choi <drdavechoi@gmail.com> wrote:
    What Norris is reminding us about social entrepreneurship is interesting.
    If we cannot think of what distinguishes benevolent entrepreneurship from evil entrepreneurship (other than gangsters and criminal bahaviors) perhaps our standard of what is benevolent is too low.  Founders of companies like Patagonia or Ben & Jerry's  and many of the socially responsible firms may provide us with an insight of what NOT-EVIL entrepreneurship is.
    Perhaps all those entrepreneurial firms that make unhealthy foods, pollute the environment, make violent games or movies, or do not provide enough equity for its employees are evil as well.
     
     


     
    On 11/1/07, Norris Krueger < norris.krueger@gmail.com> wrote:
    Sanjay - yes, the social entrepreneurship folks who lurk around here have NOT chimed in, have they?

    What first drug me into that was working with environmental entrepreneurs, most of whom would have punched me for calling them "entrepreneurs", LOL. (Some of them because E's are just junior robber barons, others because they'd never heard the term, LOL).

    There was definitely an ambivalence about saving the world... and getting rich doing so. In some cases, the passion was for The Cause & a for-profit venture was necessary; in others, the passion was really more for the customer. To a lot of nonprofits, earned income is a necessary evil. Necessary, but still a bit morally suspect.

    Still, entrepreneurial skills & passion remain a provably potent way to address important market failings, especially where institutions are missing or fatally flawed [Johanna Mair's work on institutional voids]. I suspect that Alistair & Rob's gangsters perceive themselves as filling market niches that existing institutions do not or cannot. Or, if you prefer, large institutions seem relatively unable to address BOTP needs/wants... but microenterprise can. Microfinance is big business now, but it only truly succeeds where it's bottom up.

    We see that it took the entrepreneurs to drive green building design - LEED was hardly a governmental effort & now its becoming a no-brainer. I work a bit in sustainable economic development (which differs from sustainable development, which in my neck of the woods completely excludes job creation, LOL). To develop a community sustainably requires a very entrepreneurial approach: You need to focus on 'growing your own' (not business attraction) and, in turn, that requires community developers to be entrepreneurial [do read Ana Maria Peredo's '06 AMR on community entrepreneurship -she say this much better than I can].

    Sanjay, the one thing that struck me immediately about those green entrepreneurs a decade ago is what galvanized my research interest. They really are entrepreneurs in how they think - oriented toward actionable opportunities & taking initiative [& away from bureaucratic solutions]. Two recent research projects I think might shed a bit of light.

    The controversial one is how social entrepreneurs (& entrepreneurs) rose to the occasion in both major US floods, Katrina & Grand Forks. Grand Forks was hit proportionately far harder than New Orleans, but responded much more effectively, in large part because they responded much more entrepreneurially. However, in Grand Forks it sure seems like the bureaucrats there *still* don't know what happened. In New Orleans, it sure seems that the best work in fixing the mess came from entrepreneurial and social entrepreneurial efforts (like Musicians Village)  This grossly oversimplifies the differences, but it illustrates the potential value that the entrepreneurial mindset offers, even if it may be threatening to those with a bureaucratic mindset. Were there entrepreneurs in both settings that exploited the situation unfairly? True dat. [ http://pronetos.com/disciplines/5/articles/13 ]

    We've noted the importance of intent. The other research stream that is just starting to take off has to do, essentially, with passion. Where is the locus of an entrepreneur's passion? Is it for money or for serving customers or for inventing cool stuff? Jeff Robinson & Shalei Simms have looked at differences in mindset in social entrepreneurs who (a) come from the entrepreneur side and (b) come from the social activist side. The differences in role identity are pretty stark & both have to change to be effective as social entrepreneurs. We have ways to elicit people's 'hot button' preferences (the sine qua non "must-haves") -preliminary evidence suggests that social entrepreneurs need to be passionate about both being entrepreneurial AND about The Cause. [ http://pronetos.com/disciplines/5/articles/12 ]

    Means *and* ends, to echo Alistair and others. Anyway, sorry for the long post - but I'm headed out on the road. We have ways to identify where entrepreneurs' passions lie, whether statistical techniques like discrete choice modeling or my next adventure, neuroscience techniques. (Can I stick any of your heads into an fMRI machine? LOL)

    Cheers, all!

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
           "I criticize by creation, not by finding fault" -Cicero

    On 11/1/07, Sanjay Bhowmick < s.bhowmick@auckland.ac.nz > wrote:
    Andrew: you have let a cat among the pigeons alright.

    If the rules of the game to research e-ship only as socially desirable are
    the pigeons, we need more cats. Some occasionally visit in the shape of
    papers mentioned in this exchange - and may I add, Richard Osborne (1991,
    Long range planning, 24, 3). However they mostly address entrepreneurial
    ego, the abuse of entrepreneurial power, etc. Not so much about whether
    the process itself has the seeds of destruction. It is much easier to look
    at the ethical dimension instead (because you can then define 'whose
    destruction'). I agree with Richard's classification and would add the
    ethical/unethical. It is great that, as Curt says, Bill Gates shows
    concern for the disenfranchised now (as he is overtaken as the richest man
    in the world, as we write) but I wonder if Ken Sakamura would not be
    chuckling at the suggestion. And also as Curt says we all need to look at
    social e-ship sometime, about now (sorry Norris, this shd be your line).

    There was a paper that tracked public perception of entrepreneurs by
    analysing articles/items on e-ship in major British dailies over a few
    decades (hope to find it). With the legitimacy that public opinion can
    bring - British in this case - it shows the issue is linked to context as
    has been mentioned here. It is time we examined the dark side, and even in
    the theoretical sense - in the way that Edmund Leach (1967 Reith Lectures)
    asked of scientists about inventing the bomb (ok, the fusion/fission
    reactions) or in his following remark: "it is quite respectable to conduct
    intensive research how the sex of children might be pre-determined, but it
    is not the scietnists' business to speculate about how this discovery
    might affect the future of mankind". We cant, as Leach says, evade this
    question for ever, we must take responsibilty for its consequences. Unless
    we also say, like the scientist in the lab, that our concern is to only
    understand entrepreneurship, not to improve/criticise it. I believe we
    must say Bill Gates conned Jobs on the GUI agreement or that he was lucky
    not farsighted that rival (CP/M maker) could not sue then for infringement
    (institutional setting again), just as much as we say he was brilliant in
    some ways. If ethics is brought into the equation, the 10 years of bug-
    infested MS product instead of a much better potential product was a high
    cost to business.

    Is entrepreneurhip amoral? Inasmuch as it is others that entrepreneurs
    have to beat to get ahead, it is only the institutionally accepted
    boundaries that define what is permissible in that 'beating'. It is by not
    only challenging the student but by challenging the theories we tell them
    to study that we can educate, following Paulo Friere (1970).

    Andrew, like others, I too am interested in how you take this research
    forward. If you are in Auckland, wd be great to meet up sometime.

    Sanjay Bhowmick
    U of Auckland Business School

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  • 25.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 11-02-2007 05:50
    Sanjay

    You make some great points her. I think the paper you mention about
    perceptions of entrepreneurs was one of mine in ETP.

    Nicholson, L. Anderson. A.R. 2005 "News and nuances of the
    entrepreneurial myth and metaphor: Linguistic games in entrepreneurial
    sense-making and sense-giving" Entrepreneurship, Theory and Practice, 29
    (2), 153-173

    We didn't really look at morality as such but found that entrepreneurs
    were first painted as heroes but over time, as the media became more
    aware and understood entrepreneurship better, the glamour become
    somewhat tarnished.

    Interestingly I feel that this simply reinforces your point about Bill
    Gates and how the ends and means, or at least perceptions about the
    morality and ethics, may change over time.

    Alistair


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv
    [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Sanjay Bhowmick
    Sent: 01 November 2007 06:37
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Andrew: you have let a cat among the pigeons alright.

    If the rules of the game to research e-ship only as socially desirable
    are
    the pigeons, we need more cats. Some occasionally visit in the shape of
    papers mentioned in this exchange - and may I add, Richard Osborne
    (1991,
    Long range planning, 24, 3). However they mostly address entrepreneurial

    ego, the abuse of entrepreneurial power, etc. Not so much about whether
    the process itself has the seeds of destruction. It is much easier to
    look
    at the ethical dimension instead (because you can then define 'whose
    destruction'). I agree with Richard's classification and would add the
    ethical/unethical. It is great that, as Curt says, Bill Gates shows
    concern for the disenfranchised now (as he is overtaken as the richest
    man
    in the world, as we write) but I wonder if Ken Sakamura would not be
    chuckling at the suggestion. And also as Curt says we all need to look
    at
    social e-ship sometime, about now (sorry Norris, this shd be your line).

    There was a paper that tracked public perception of entrepreneurs by
    analysing articles/items on e-ship in major British dailies over a few
    decades (hope to find it). With the legitimacy that public opinion can
    bring - British in this case - it shows the issue is linked to context
    as
    has been mentioned here. It is time we examined the dark side, and even
    in
    the theoretical sense - in the way that Edmund Leach (1967 Reith
    Lectures)
    asked of scientists about inventing the bomb (ok, the fusion/fission
    reactions) or in his following remark: "it is quite respectable to
    conduct
    intensive research how the sex of children might be pre-determined, but
    it
    is not the scietnists' business to speculate about how this discovery
    might affect the future of mankind". We cant, as Leach says, evade this
    question for ever, we must take responsibilty for its consequences.
    Unless
    we also say, like the scientist in the lab, that our concern is to only
    understand entrepreneurship, not to improve/criticise it. I believe we
    must say Bill Gates conned Jobs on the GUI agreement or that he was
    lucky
    not farsighted that rival (CP/M maker) could not sue then for
    infringement
    (institutional setting again), just as much as we say he was brilliant
    in
    some ways. If ethics is brought into the equation, the 10 years of bug-
    infested MS product instead of a much better potential product was a
    high
    cost to business.

    Is entrepreneurhip amoral? Inasmuch as it is others that entrepreneurs
    have to beat to get ahead, it is only the institutionally accepted
    boundaries that define what is permissible in that 'beating'. It is by
    not
    only challenging the student but by challenging the theories we tell
    them
    to study that we can educate, following Paulo Friere (1970).

    Andrew, like others, I too am interested in how you take this research
    forward. If you are in Auckland, wd be great to meet up sometime.

    Sanjay Bhowmick
    U of Auckland Business School

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  • 26.  Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Posted 11-06-2007 16:00
    Just came back from Kauffman & scored a couple copies of their newest book "Good Capitalism, Bad Capitalism". Haven't read it yet, but... you can download it for free!
    http://www.kauffman.org/capitalism/

    Might add some more grist for the mill...

    --
    Keep entrepreneuring!
    Norris

    Norris F. Krueger, Jr., Ph.D.
    "How can I help you to help grow entrepreneurs?"    
    (208) 440-3747; skype: norris.krueger
           "I criticize by creation, not by finding fault" -Cicero

    On 11/2/07, a.r.anderson@rgu.ac.uk <a.r.anderson@rgu.ac.uk > wrote:
    Sanjay

    You make some great points her. I think the paper you mention about
    perceptions of entrepreneurs was one of mine in ETP.

    Nicholson, L. Anderson. A.R. 2005 "News and nuances of the
    entrepreneurial myth and metaphor: Linguistic games in entrepreneurial
    sense-making and sense-giving" Entrepreneurship, Theory and Practice, 29
    (2), 153-173

    We didn't really look at morality as such but found that entrepreneurs
    were first painted as heroes but over time, as the media became  more
    aware and understood entrepreneurship better, the glamour become
    somewhat tarnished.

    Interestingly I feel that this simply reinforces your point about Bill
    Gates and how the ends and means, or at least perceptions about the
    morality and ethics, may change over time.

    Alistair


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv
    [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Sanjay Bhowmick
    Sent: 01 November 2007 06:37
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Entrepreneurship as a social "evil"

    Andrew: you have let a cat among the pigeons alright.

    If the rules of the game to research e-ship only as socially desirable
    are
    the pigeons, we need more cats. Some occasionally visit in the shape of
    papers mentioned in this exchange - and may I add, Richard Osborne
    (1991,
    Long range planning, 24, 3). However they mostly address entrepreneurial

    ego, the abuse of entrepreneurial power, etc. Not so much about whether
    the process itself has the seeds of destruction. It is much easier to
    look
    at the ethical dimension instead (because you can then define 'whose
    destruction'). I agree with Richard's classification and would add the
    ethical/unethical. It is great that, as Curt says, Bill Gates shows
    concern for the disenfranchised now (as he is overtaken as the richest
    man
    in the world, as we write) but I wonder if Ken Sakamura would not be
    chuckling at the suggestion. And also as Curt says we all need to look
    at
    social e-ship sometime, about now (sorry Norris, this shd be your line).

    There was a paper that tracked public perception of entrepreneurs by
    analysing articles/items on e-ship in major British dailies over a few
    decades (hope to find it). With the legitimacy that public opinion can
    bring - British in this case - it shows the issue is linked to context
    as
    has been mentioned here. It is time we examined the dark side, and even
    in
    the theoretical sense - in the way that Edmund Leach (1967 Reith
    Lectures)
    asked of scientists about inventing the bomb (ok, the fusion/fission
    reactions) or in his following remark: "it is quite respectable to
    conduct
    intensive research how the sex of children might be pre-determined, but
    it
    is not the scietnists' business to speculate about how this discovery
    might affect the future of mankind". We cant, as Leach says, evade this
    question for ever, we must take responsibilty for its consequences.
    Unless
    we also say, like the scientist in the lab, that our concern is to only
    understand entrepreneurship, not to improve/criticise it. I believe we
    must say Bill Gates conned Jobs on the GUI agreement or that he was
    lucky
    not farsighted that rival (CP/M maker) could not sue then for
    infringement
    (institutional setting again), just as much as we say he was brilliant
    in
    some ways. If ethics is brought into the equation, the 10 years of bug-
    infested MS product instead of a much better potential product was a
    high
    cost to business.

    Is entrepreneurhip amoral? Inasmuch as it is others that entrepreneurs
    have to beat to get ahead, it is only the institutionally accepted
    boundaries that define what is permissible in that 'beating'. It is by
    not
    only challenging the student but by challenging the theories we tell
    them
    to study that we can educate, following Paulo Friere (1970).

    Andrew, like others, I too am interested in how you take this research
    forward. If you are in Auckland, wd be great to meet up sometime.

    Sanjay Bhowmick
    U of Auckland Business School

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