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  • 1.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-06-2016 12:06
    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..


    All the best,

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 
    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange
    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 2.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-06-2016 14:49

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations.

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

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    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 3.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-06-2016 15:27
    David,

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

    Johan

    Professor Johan Wiklund, PhD     | The Al Berg Chair in Entrepreneurship | Whitman School of Management
    Editor: Entrepreneurship Theory and Practice
    Syracuse University | 721 University Ave, Suite 535 | Syracuse, NY 13244
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    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 
     
    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.
     
    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.
     
     
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    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts
     
    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  
     
    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..
     

    All the best,
     
    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 
    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 4.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-06-2016 15:45

    Friends,

     

    My .02 cents is that a reliance on quantification is problematic, and I hope that we take pause to think about this carefully.  For scholars who work in narrow or specialized topics, new areas, interdisciplinary or emerging fields of inquiry it is more unlikely that their work will receive the same citation counts as those working in well-trodden paths.  The greater the volume of papers on a particular topic, the more likely that it positively impacts citations of papers on that particular topic. Sadly citations also feature in impact measures of journals. It may inadvertently encourage homogeneity in both our research and our targeted outlets. So I hope there is no convergence on acceptable count measures, despite the availability of various citation counts, most being just a click away.

     

    Regards,

     

    Manjula Salimath

    University of North Texas

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of Johan Wiklund
    Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 2:27 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    David,

     

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

     

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

     

    Johan


    Professor Johan Wiklund, PhD     | The Al Berg Chair in Entrepreneurship | Whitman School of Management

    Editor: Entrepreneurship Theory and Practice

    Syracuse University | 721 University Ave, Suite 535 | Syracuse, NY 13244
    p  +1.315.559.2144 | e  jwiklund@syr.edu

     

     

    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

     

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 5.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-06-2016 15:56

    Dear ENTREP Colleagues,

     

    Obviously, there are many indicators of impact. Web of Science citations and Google Scholar citations assess impact on other "internal" stakeholders (i.e., the extent to which other academics cite our work). For better or for worse, the correlation between impact on internal stakeholders, as measured by citations, and impact on external stakeholders (as measured by Google pages-not Google Scholar citations) is close to zero. This means that impact inside of the academy has virtually no relation with impact outside of the academy.

     

    We recently offered a modest proposal to improve our understanding of scholarly impact, a "pluralist perspective,"  that involves impact on many different business school stakeholders. This was mentioned in her presidential address by Debra Shapiro at the AOM meetings in Anaheim. The following articles include data on different types of impact for the 350 of the 500 most cited scholars in Management in the past quarter century, together with their impact outside of the academy. We also offer several suggestions about different types of impact and how to measure each of them, which is useful in terms of making hiring and promotion decisions (bot of these articles available at http://hermanaguinis.com/pubs.html):

     

    ·       Aguinis, H., Shapiro, D. L., Antonacopoulou, E., & Cummings, T. G. 2014. Scholarly impact: A pluralist conceptualization. Academy of Management Learning and Education, 13: 623-639.

    ·       Aguinis, H., Suarez-González, I., Lannelongue, G., & Joo, H. 2012. Scholarly impact revisited. Academy of Management Perspectives, 26(2): 105-132.

     

    I believe that the issue of impact is directly related to relevance and the long-term sustainability of business schools. I look forward to learning about others' perspectives on these important issues.

     

    All the best,

     

    --Herman.

     

    Herman Aguinis, Ph.D.

    Avram Tucker Distinguished Scholar and Professor of Management

    George Washington University School of Business

    2201 G Street, NW

    Washington, DC 20052

    http://hermanaguinis.com/

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of Johan Wiklund
    Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:27 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    David,

     

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

     

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

     

    Johan


    Professor Johan Wiklund, PhD     | The Al Berg Chair in Entrepreneurship | Whitman School of Management

    Editor: Entrepreneurship Theory and Practice

    Syracuse University | 721 University Ave, Suite 535 | Syracuse, NY 13244
    p  +1.315.559.2144 | e  jwiklund@syr.edu

     

     

    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

     

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 6.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-07-2016 05:47

    Oine thing to take into account is that google scholar weights similarly citations of for example industry and annual  reports and citations from journals.  I reviewed a case recently and was first surprised by number of google cites of that individual.  When I checked, it seems like the great mayority of the cites were for an anuual report.  Not to say those are not important, but it is clear that if the idea is impact on science, that does not cut it...

    Btw,  in looking at applicant vitaes, people have started to list them (h- Index, etc)

     

    Julio

     

    De: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] En nombre de Johan Wiklund
    Enviado el: December 6, 2016 9:27 PM
    Para: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Asunto: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    David,

     

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

     

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

     

    Johan


    Professor Johan Wiklund, PhD     | The Al Berg Chair in Entrepreneurship | Whitman School of Management

    Editor: Entrepreneurship Theory and Practice

    Syracuse University | 721 University Ave, Suite 535 | Syracuse, NY 13244
    p  +1.315.559.2144 | e  jwiklund@syr.edu

     

     

    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

     

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 7.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-07-2016 06:15

    David et al,

     

    I look at these a lot both in writing tenure and promotion letters and internally at my own school.

     

    The problem with GS, as many have pointed out, is that there is no fixed ratio between GS and SSCI/Web of Science.  To give you a sense of this, you could look at the pattern for me.   All my publications have more GS citations than SSCI ones.  But some things have much higher ratios than others.  If I write a popular publication – a column for Business Week or Entrepreneur – or a book, I will get GS citations but not web of science citations in any number.  Even my scholarly books have a much higher ratio of GS to SSCI citations.

     

    I think this reflects those citing.  Practitioners read books and popular publications and they use them in books and popular publications.  They are less likely to cite academic papers.  Academics are more likely to cite academic papers.  Because academics are far smaller in number than practitioners, you get higher ratios of GS to SSCI citations on popular publications than purely academic ones.

     

    If citations are a measure of impact and the goal is to influence "someone", I personally go with looking at do people have high citations in some measure.  If there are particularly high measures of one of the indicators, they had an impact.

     

    Perhaps this doesn't help at all... But if it doesn't, don't cite it, just delete it J

     

    Scott

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of Julio de Castro
    Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 5:47 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    Oine thing to take into account is that google scholar weights similarly citations of for example industry and annual  reports and citations from journals.  I reviewed a case recently and was first surprised by number of google cites of that individual.  When I checked, it seems like the great mayority of the cites were for an anuual report.  Not to say those are not important, but it is clear that if the idea is impact on science, that does not cut it...

    Btw,  in looking at applicant vitaes, people have started to list them (h- Index, etc)

     

    Julio

     

    De: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] En nombre de Johan Wiklund
    Enviado el: December 6, 2016 9:27 PM
    Para: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Asunto: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    David,

     

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

     

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

     

    Johan


    Professor Johan Wiklund, PhD     | The Al Berg Chair in Entrepreneurship | Whitman School of Management

    Editor: Entrepreneurship Theory and Practice

    Syracuse University | 721 University Ave, Suite 535 | Syracuse, NY 13244
    p  +1.315.559.2144 | e  jwiklund@syr.edu

     

     

    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

     

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 8.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-07-2016 17:37

    Greetings to everyone!

    In this case comparing apples with oranges is a good thing. We should welcome both as measures of relevance. ISI is the pure scientific impact scale and GS is the overall impact of a researcher. For us business school professors/researchers I would rather pay attention to GS, as wider impact should be our primary aim given our wide array of stakeholders (academics, business, students, policy makers, etc.). It seems that business schools will increasingly be going down this road, if paying attention to criticisms that are increasingly coming our way and emphasis of accreditation bodies. In other words, as always, it is a question of balance between basic research and practical contributions to the business community and society at large.

    Very best,

    Sveinn


    On 07/12/2016 11:46, Julio de Castro wrote:
    DB3PR02MB037875D23D23E76A0EA1F67AEF850@DB3PR02MB0378.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com" type="cite">

    Oine thing to take into account is that google scholar weights similarly citations of for example industry and annual  reports and citations from journals.  I reviewed a case recently and was first surprised by number of google cites of that individual.  When I checked, it seems like the great mayority of the cites were for an anuual report.  Not to say those are not important, but it is clear that if the idea is impact on science, that does not cut it...

    Btw,  in looking at applicant vitaes, people have started to list them (h- Index, etc)

     

    Julio

     

    De: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] En nombre de Johan Wiklund
    Enviado el: December 6, 2016 9:27 PM
    Para: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Asunto: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    David,

     

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

     

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

     

    Johan


    Professor Johan Wiklund, PhD     | The Al Berg Chair in Entrepreneurship | Whitman School of Management

    Editor: Entrepreneurship Theory and Practice

    Syracuse University | 721 University Ave, Suite 535 | Syracuse, NY 13244
    p  +1.315.559.2144 | e  jwiklund@syr.edu

     

     

    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

     

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 9.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-07-2016 19:02
    Hello everyone,

    Of course part of the difference is the journals that are covered, with ISI less ecumenical than GS.  And if you really want to feel that your career has amounted to practically nothing, look yourself up in PubMed.  Happy counting.

    Kelly Shaver
    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv <ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG> on behalf of Gudmundsson <s.gudmundsson@WANADOO.FR>
    Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 5:37:28 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts
     

    Greetings to everyone!

    In this case comparing apples with oranges is a good thing. We should welcome both as measures of relevance. ISI is the pure scientific impact scale and GS is the overall impact of a researcher. For us business school professors/researchers I would rather pay attention to GS, as wider impact should be our primary aim given our wide array of stakeholders (academics, business, students, policy makers, etc.). It seems that business schools will increasingly be going down this road, if paying attention to criticisms that are increasingly coming our way and emphasis of accreditation bodies. In other words, as always, it is a question of balance between basic research and practical contributions to the business community and society at large.

    Very best,

    Sveinn


    On 07/12/2016 11:46, Julio de Castro wrote:
    DB3PR02MB037875D23D23E76A0EA1F67AEF850@DB3PR02MB0378.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com" type="cite">

    Oine thing to take into account is that google scholar weights similarly citations of for example industry and annual  reports and citations from journals.  I reviewed a case recently and was first surprised by number of google cites of that individual.  When I checked, it seems like the great mayority of the cites were for an anuual report.  Not to say those are not important, but it is clear that if the idea is impact on science, that does not cut it...

    Btw,  in looking at applicant vitaes, people have started to list them (h- Index, etc)

     

    Julio

     

    De: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] En nombre de Johan Wiklund
    Enviado el: December 6, 2016 9:27 PM
    Para: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Asunto: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    David,

     

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

     

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

     

    Johan


    Professor Johan Wiklund, PhD     | The Al Berg Chair in Entrepreneurship | Whitman School of Management

    Editor: Entrepreneurship Theory and Practice

    Syracuse University | 721 University Ave, Suite 535 | Syracuse, NY 13244
    p  +1.315.559.2144 | e  jwiklund@syr.edu

     

     

    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

     

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 10.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-07-2016 19:27
    This somehow seems... an opportunity. 

    Is there a way to assess the quality of those citing? Maybe capture how highly cited are the articles that cite you?

    Centuries ago, I wrote a conference paper on entrep self-efficacy and it got 3 cites.

    All by Bandura. (And he sent a thank-you note.) 

    Is it wrong to rate those 3 as worth more than 100 cites elsewhere? :) 


    Norris

    "How can I help you to grow entrepreneurs?" 
    Norris Krueger, Ph.D.
    Entrepreneurship Northwest
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    On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Shaver, Kelly G <ShaverK@cofc.edu> wrote:
    Hello everyone,

    Of course part of the difference is the journals that are covered, with ISI less ecumenical than GS.  And if you really want to feel that your career has amounted to practically nothing, look yourself up in PubMed.  Happy counting.

    Kelly Shaver
    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv <ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG> on behalf of Gudmundsson <s.gudmundsson@WANADOO.FR>
    Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 5:37:28 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts
     

    Greetings to everyone!

    In this case comparing apples with oranges is a good thing. We should welcome both as measures of relevance. ISI is the pure scientific impact scale and GS is the overall impact of a researcher. For us business school professors/researchers I would rather pay attention to GS, as wider impact should be our primary aim given our wide array of stakeholders (academics, business, students, policy makers, etc.). It seems that business schools will increasingly be going down this road, if paying attention to criticisms that are increasingly coming our way and emphasis of accreditation bodies. In other words, as always, it is a question of balance between basic research and practical contributions to the business community and society at large.

    Very best,

    Sveinn


    On 07/12/2016 11:46, Julio de Castro wrote:

    Oine thing to take into account is that google scholar weights similarly citations of for example industry and annual  reports and citations from journals.  I reviewed a case recently and was first surprised by number of google cites of that individual.  When I checked, it seems like the great mayority of the cites were for an anuual report.  Not to say those are not important, but it is clear that if the idea is impact on science, that does not cut it...

    Btw,  in looking at applicant vitaes, people have started to list them (h- Index, etc)

     

    Julio

     

    De: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] En nombre de Johan Wiklund
    Enviado el: December 6, 2016 9:27 PM
    Para: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Asunto: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    David,

     

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

     

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

     

    Johan


    Professor Johan Wiklund, PhD     | The Al Berg Chair in Entrepreneurship | Whitman School of Management

    Editor: Entrepreneurship Theory and Practice

    Syracuse University | 721 University Ave, Suite 535 | Syracuse, NY 13244
    p  +1.315.559.2144 | e  jwiklund@syr.edu

     

     

    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

     

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
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  • 11.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-07-2016 19:53

    Good point, Norris. I think Tom Astebro can argue the same as the only (if I remember correctly) entrepreneurship researcher cited in Daniel Kahneman's  "Thinking, Fast and Slow".

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Per

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of Norris Krueger
    Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2016 10:27 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    This somehow seems... an opportunity. 

     

    Is there a way to assess the quality of those citing? Maybe capture how highly cited are the articles that cite you?

     

    Centuries ago, I wrote a conference paper on entrep self-efficacy and it got 3 cites.

     

    All by Bandura. (And he sent a thank-you note.) 

     

    Is it wrong to rate those 3 as worth more than 100 cites elsewhere? :) 


     

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    On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Shaver, Kelly G <ShaverK@cofc.edu> wrote:

    Hello everyone,

    Of course part of the difference is the journals that are covered, with ISI less ecumenical than GS.  And if you really want to feel that your career has amounted to practically nothing, look yourself up in PubMed.  Happy counting.

    Kelly Shaver

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    Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 5:37:28 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    Greetings to everyone!

    In this case comparing apples with oranges is a good thing. We should welcome both as measures of relevance. ISI is the pure scientific impact scale and GS is the overall impact of a researcher. For us business school professors/researchers I would rather pay attention to GS, as wider impact should be our primary aim given our wide array of stakeholders (academics, business, students, policy makers, etc.). It seems that business schools will increasingly be going down this road, if paying attention to criticisms that are increasingly coming our way and emphasis of accreditation bodies. In other words, as always, it is a question of balance between basic research and practical contributions to the business community and society at large.

    Very best,

    Sveinn

     

    On 07/12/2016 11:46, Julio de Castro wrote:

    Oine thing to take into account is that google scholar weights similarly citations of for example industry and annual  reports and citations from journals.  I reviewed a case recently and was first surprised by number of google cites of that individual.  When I checked, it seems like the great mayority of the cites were for an anuual report.  Not to say those are not important, but it is clear that if the idea is impact on science, that does not cut it...

    Btw,  in looking at applicant vitaes, people have started to list them (h- Index, etc)

     

    Julio

     

    De: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] En nombre de Johan Wiklund
    Enviado el: December 6, 2016 9:27 PM
    Para: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Asunto: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    David,

     

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

     

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

     

    Johan


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    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

     

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

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  • 12.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-07-2016 19:58
    and Busenitz & Barney got mentioned in The Economist (read it on the plane going to AoM... now THAT is a good omen!)


    Norris

    "How can I help you to grow entrepreneurs?" 
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    On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Per Davidsson <per.davidsson@qut.edu.au> wrote:

    Good point, Norris. I think Tom Astebro can argue the same as the only (if I remember correctly) entrepreneurship researcher cited in Daniel Kahneman's  "Thinking, Fast and Slow".

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Per

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of Norris Krueger
    Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2016 10:27 AM


    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    This somehow seems... an opportunity. 

     

    Is there a way to assess the quality of those citing? Maybe capture how highly cited are the articles that cite you?

     

    Centuries ago, I wrote a conference paper on entrep self-efficacy and it got 3 cites.

     

    All by Bandura. (And he sent a thank-you note.) 

     

    Is it wrong to rate those 3 as worth more than 100 cites elsewhere? :) 


     

    Norris

    "How can I help you to grow entrepreneurs?" 

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    Entrepreneurship Northwest
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    On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Shaver, Kelly G <ShaverK@cofc.edu> wrote:

    Hello everyone,

    Of course part of the difference is the journals that are covered, with ISI less ecumenical than GS.  And if you really want to feel that your career has amounted to practically nothing, look yourself up in PubMed.  Happy counting.

    Kelly Shaver

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv <ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG> on behalf of Gudmundsson <s.gudmundsson@WANADOO.FR>
    Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 5:37:28 PM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    Greetings to everyone!

    In this case comparing apples with oranges is a good thing. We should welcome both as measures of relevance. ISI is the pure scientific impact scale and GS is the overall impact of a researcher. For us business school professors/researchers I would rather pay attention to GS, as wider impact should be our primary aim given our wide array of stakeholders (academics, business, students, policy makers, etc.). It seems that business schools will increasingly be going down this road, if paying attention to criticisms that are increasingly coming our way and emphasis of accreditation bodies. In other words, as always, it is a question of balance between basic research and practical contributions to the business community and society at large.

    Very best,

    Sveinn

     

    On 07/12/2016 11:46, Julio de Castro wrote:

    Oine thing to take into account is that google scholar weights similarly citations of for example industry and annual  reports and citations from journals.  I reviewed a case recently and was first surprised by number of google cites of that individual.  When I checked, it seems like the great mayority of the cites were for an anuual report.  Not to say those are not important, but it is clear that if the idea is impact on science, that does not cut it...

    Btw,  in looking at applicant vitaes, people have started to list them (h- Index, etc)

     

    Julio

     

    De: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] En nombre de Johan Wiklund
    Enviado el: December 6, 2016 9:27 PM
    Para: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Asunto: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    David,

     

    It seems like an important question, given the weight of these decisions (future careers). I recall seeing articles comparing the relevance of GS vs. SCI. If you search for google scholar science citation index on Google Scholar, you get a bunch of hits that look relevant.

     

    Let me know if you gain any insights.

     

    Johan


    Professor Johan Wiklund, PhD     | The Al Berg Chair in Entrepreneurship | Whitman School of Management

    Editor: Entrepreneurship Theory and Practice

    Syracuse University | 721 University Ave, Suite 535 | Syracuse, NY 13244
    p  +1.315.559.2144 | e  jwiklund@syr.edu

     

     

    On Dec 6, 2016, at 14:48, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

     

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations. 

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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  • 13.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-06-2016 15:48
    Although I'm not a big fan of citation counting, if you need to do it, I am a big fan of "Publish or Perish":  It's free, fast, simple to use, and informative.  It also reports a wide range of impact statistics, going well beyond raw cite counts and the h-index -- and if you bother to read the description of these measures, you can actually learn quite a bit about the methodological ambiguities of comparing different scholars' "influence."  Also, I vaguely recall that the PoP website (http://www.harzing.com/resources/publish-or-perish) includes a nice discussion somewhere of Google Scholar vs. ISI.

    Just in case Ann Harzing (the author of Publish or Perish) is reading this, I'll add that there are a few areas where the program could still use some development:

    1.  Author disambiguation:  PoP only accepts last names and first initials; beyond that, you'll need to disambiguate by hand. That's not too hard for, say, "M Suchman"; but it gets a bit overwhelming if you want to lookup your colleague "J Smith."  In these days of predictive analytics, I can imagine a version that would compute match probabilities for each cite, by comparing cross-citation patterns against a few user-designated known matches.  Perhaps one could also imagine a version that would work from a pdf of the target author's CV.  But the current version isn't there yet.

    2.  Citation network analysis:  PoP is basically just a citation counter.  It probably wouldn't be too hard to design some impact metrics that would reflect other types of centrality in the citation network, beyond mere "in-degree."

    3.  Baselines:  As David's original question suggests, it would be nice to have some baselines for the various statistics.  I can imagine a version of PoP that would report a percentile for each metric, relative to all PoP searches in, say, the previous 12 months.

    I hope you're listening Ann!

    Cheers,
    Mark


    On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations.

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

    From: Entrepreneurship Division Listserv [mailto:ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG] On Behalf Of David Deeds
    Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

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  • 14.  Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Posted 12-06-2016 16:04
    Simple baselines ought to be relatively easy to compute if they are important enough. If, for example, scholar A has published a paper in the 2005 volume of ET&P, you can simply run a search on that volume and compare - impact is largely relative. Not perfect by any means, but it should provide some context if the determination is to use citation metrics (computed using GS or some other platform).

    Of course, as others have said, we ought to be much more confident in peer review.

    Interesting issue. Thanks David.

    Best

    Mark

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    From: "Suchman, Mark" <mark_suchman@BROWN.EDU>
    Sent: 6 Dec 2016 3:56 pm
    To: ENTREP@AOMLISTS.AOM.ORG
    Subject: Re: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

    Although I'm not a big fan of citation counting, if you need to do it, I am a big fan of "Publish or Perish":  It's free, fast, simple to use, and informative.  It also reports a wide range of impact statistics, going well beyond raw cite counts and the h-index -- and if you bother to read the description of these measures, you can actually learn quite a bit about the methodological ambiguities of comparing different scholars' "influence."  Also, I vaguely recall that the PoP website (http://www.harzing.com/resources/publish-or-perish) includes a nice discussion somewhere of Google Scholar vs. ISI.

    Just in case Ann Harzing (the author of Publish or Perish) is reading this, I'll add that there are a few areas where the program could still use some development:

    1.  Author disambiguation:  PoP only accepts last names and first initials; beyond that, you'll need to disambiguate by hand. That's not too hard for, say, "M Suchman"; but it gets a bit overwhelming if you want to lookup your colleague "J Smith."  In these days of predictive analytics, I can imagine a version that would compute match probabilities for each cite, by comparing cross-citation patterns against a few user-designated known matches.  Perhaps one could also imagine a version that would work from a pdf of the target author's CV.  But the current version isn't there yet.

    2.  Citation network analysis:  PoP is basically just a citation counter.  It probably wouldn't be too hard to design some impact metrics that would reflect other types of centrality in the citation network, beyond mere "in-degree."

    3.  Baselines:  As David's original question suggests, it would be nice to have some baselines for the various statistics.  I can imagine a version of PoP that would report a percentile for each metric, relative to all PoP searches in, say, the previous 12 months.

    I hope you're listening Ann!

    Cheers,
    Mark


    On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Bill Schulze <bill.schulze@eccles.utah.edu> wrote:

    Not sure ... 3x is not a bad guess. And although one always has to take publication dates into account, I take a closer look if the candidate has fewer than 200 GS citations.

     

    It would also help if GS allowed one to sort by citations ... but sadly, it does not.

     

    Anyone have experience with Publish or Perish?  It looks pretty good but I haven't heard about anyone using it for tenure and promotion cases.

     

     

     

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    Subject: [ENTREP] Standards for Google Scholar Citation Counts

     

    I review several Tenure & Promotion cases a year. I'm increasingly at a loss to determine what to make of Google Scholar citation counts. In the case of ISI/Web of Science the accepted standard seemed to be that an article achieving 50 cites had some impact and that an article receiving over a 100 citations was impactful and any article above 200 citations was highly influential.  

     

    With the advent of Google Scholar and it's much wider net, what's the comparable standards? Is it a simple 3x (150, 300 & 600)? Also what's the comparable standard for the H-index using Google Scholar? In the ISI/Web of Science World anything above 15 or so was a very solid number. I'm curious what people think. I'm not looking to start a debate over the value of citations vs. journal quality vs. personal opinion of the work, I'm really just interested in seeing what people's thoughts are on how we judge Google Scholar citation counts and if we are coalescing around some standards..

     


    All the best,

     

    David Deeds
    Editor-in-Chief 

    Entrepreneurship and Innovation Exchange

    Sandra Schulze Professor of Entrepreneurship
    Schulze School of Entrepreneurship
    Opus College of Business
    The University of St. Thomas

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